and, the vice presidential debate is coming up and joe biden, vice president joe biden and republican vp nominee congressman paul ryan facing off thursday night and how much of an impact will the debate have on the november election? susan estrich, a fox news contributor and professor of law and political science at the university of southern california. let's do it. we are operating within the margin of error. general consensus, saying president obama was less than effervescent in the first of the debates. but, those latest... >> effervescent is kind. >> arthel: the poll numbers -- i try. the poll numbers, the governor, gosh romney came out with shining stars and does it mean, the stakes are higher for the vp debate? voters are actually looking into the debates and are tuning in and, are looking for answers. >> vp debates matter, if they -- if vp debates matter i would have been attorney general top of the united states instead of back to teaching and you played the clip, where bentsen squashed dan quayle and, we had our campaign chairman and governor clinton and our top staff and we